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Jeff

In response to: Gun Bans and Crazy People

Jeff [Visitor]
Speaking of guns... Any case where there is gun-related death is evidence that law didn't work. Killing is already against the law.
PermalinkPermalink 02/22/13 @ 21:24
Jeff

In response to: Obama Smokes but Doesn't Want You To Smoke

Jeff [Visitor]
Related information!

"Smokers lose at least one decade of life expectancy, as compared with those who have never smoked. Cessation before the age of 40 years reduces the risk of death associated with continued smoking by about 90%."

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsa1211128
PermalinkPermalink 02/22/13 @ 21:15
Jill Farrar

In response to: The "Fiscal Cliff" is Fabricated

Jill Farrar [Visitor]
There is a lot of evidence that Obama and Dems do want this to happen. Sometimes, I too think we should just roll over and play dead. Give them what they want. Kill the economy. Run off the successful and hardworking, keep the mouchers and takers. Don't think the MSM will ever give Obama the blame for anything. This is why I am going to try to not contribute to the economy in any way in 2013.
PermalinkPermalink 12/04/12 @ 12:32
Me and My Giant Dollar Store Glasses

In response to: The 2012 Vice Presidential Debate

OGRE / (Jeff) [Member]
Wow! I was way off on that one. Biden was anything but presidential during the debate. Ouch...
PermalinkPermalink 10/18/12 @ 10:04
Georgina

In response to: Signs of The Times

Georgina [Visitor]
Incredible points. Solid arguments. Keep up the great spirit.
PermalinkPermalink 09/15/12 @ 02:48
Me and My Giant Dollar Store Glasses

In response to: Mitt Romney, A Conservative's First "Second Choice" Candidate

OGRE / (Jeff) [Member]
Brian,

This is true; if the current groups stay in the Senate and the House we won't be much better off. It all depends on how well voters pay attention, and how many times they actually buy Obama's excuses. It's amazing to me how someone who was so big on change, had all the ideas and promised so much, can be endlessly excused for inaction when it comes to failure.

I feel like asking Obama, "If you would have known that Bush messed things up to the extent that you say he did. Would you have still run for office? Or, at least, would you have promised less?" Remember Obama identified what he considered to be problems and proposed solutions, which were for the most part implemented. Now the results are in. I just don't think he can keep up this dance anymore. People, I think, sense that something is wrong and don't think that Obama can fix it.
PermalinkPermalink 01/19/12 @ 16:21
Brian

In response to: Mitt Romney, A Conservative's First "Second Choice" Candidate

Brian [Visitor]
I just have this sinking feeling that Obama is going to be re-elected. Let's face it, the GOP field sucks. And we shouldn't forget taking the Senate and making further gains in the House, those are as important as the White House.
PermalinkPermalink 01/18/12 @ 17:53
Me and My Giant Dollar Store Glasses

In response to: Mitt Romney, A Conservative's First "Second Choice" Candidate

OGRE / (Jeff) [Member]
Hey, it's been a while! My wife and I were moving into a house we just purchased. It took me a while to find the time to set my computers up again. But now I'm back at it! :)
PermalinkPermalink 01/13/12 @ 18:16
Jill Farrar

In response to: Mitt Romney, A Conservative's First "Second Choice" Candidate

Jill Farrar [Visitor]
Romney is working his way to the head of my list. Yes, I would like someone less moderate, but the other candidates are mostly being horses asses. I am so disappointed in Gingrich acting the whiny baby in all this. Romney's endorsements by Bolton and Christie are a help. Romney can help himself by pulling out 5 must do's for the economy that are easy to understand. Then he can get a really good VP choice like Paul Ryan or the like. See my post on his Vulture Capitalism being an asset at mamabincranky.com. You are right that he can't just run against Obama. He must have some positive reason to vote for him. Also, if the house stay Republican, and the Senate goes Republican, they can keep check on Romney's moderate leanings.

Haven't heard from you in awhile, so I thought I would post to your stuff.
PermalinkPermalink 01/12/12 @ 20:10
athrillofhope

In response to: Solyndra, Why Government Ventures Often Fail

athrillofhope [Visitor]
Perfect example of why socialism can NEVER work. Some have claimed that the system of government that most resembles a Christ-like, Biblical framework is socialism. I'd like to see that arguement spelled out. But if that arguement is spelled out, it would necessarily need to take into account the complete wickedness and pridefulness of mankind--the core reason why only a competitive, "self-interested" system like free-enterprise capitalism, can ever work in a world that has yet to be invaded by the Second Coming of Christ.
PermalinkPermalink 10/06/11 @ 18:47
Kathy

In response to: How Can Anyone Cover This Story?

Kathy [Visitor]
Yea, Right....The Government's going to arm us with the Truth!!???. That will be a unique occasion in this day and age.
PermalinkPermalink 09/19/11 @ 23:20
J.R.

In response to: How Can Anyone Cover This Story?

J.R. [Visitor]
I'm never surprised just how low the left will stoop.. This is right up there with Acorn...
PermalinkPermalink 09/14/11 @ 22:25
Me and My Giant Dollar Store Glasses

In response to: ...Just Flush Those Corpses Down The Drain!?

OGRE / (Jeff) [Member]
Lu:

I think you missed the point. Ed didn't comment, he simply copied and pasted something from another site. That's a little different than quoting.

I don't look at causing environmental damage now (in a different way) a viable option to what exists now. Resomation is sold on the idea that it might help out in the long run.

This is an issue I have with most of the imposed "changes" for environmental reasons. They are usually not based on fact and have often been proven to have negative effects in the long run. When environmental impacts are the main selling point of an item; it's usually pointed out in advance to excuse the lack of effectiveness that particular item possesses.

Take the silly cork-screw light bulbs for example. Nobody takes into effect all of the mercury waste. Plus they still take too long to get to nominal brightness. Why not just skip the CFLs and wait on LEDs to come down in price? That's where the lighting industry is going anyway.

But even with LEDs there are unintended consequences. In the northern United States there are problems with the LED stop lights icing over, decreasing visibility. The answer; put a heater in the light assembly so ice doesn't form. The old light bulbs did this automatically and cost much less and are already in existence. The LED light with a heater installed uses almost the same amount of power as the original design using conventional light bulbs.

Now state governments have paid workers to drive large diesel burning bucket trucks to change thousands these lights when the old ones were already working. Then they had to go back (in the same large trucks) and put heaters in them.

I think too many people are ready to jump on the Eco-Friendly bus without thinking things though.

Sometimes it takes more than just good intentions.
PermalinkPermalink 09/08/11 @ 18:02
Lu

In response to: ...Just Flush Those Corpses Down The Drain!?

Lu [Visitor]
OGRE, Some times it is good to read all the way to the end. Ed does give credit to the link you mentioned.

I agree. It is tim to evolve. 1600 degrees does not equal 350 by a whole lot.

True there is no info about how much carbon emissions were produced in the creation of the potassium hydroxide and its shipment, non the less I believe only fools disregard an idea so easyly. Only by daring to view thing from a different angle new and better ideas are born.

In the other hand, I'm not too convincd that is better to stick to a certain way to do things just because it is already there. If cremation Chambers are there, and some co emisions must be produced in order to decrease such emission in the long run, then so be it. Your grandchildren will thank you. It is called an investment.
PermalinkPermalink 09/06/11 @ 19:00
Me and My Giant Dollar Store Glasses

In response to: Liberals and The Philosophy of Shampoo

OGRE / (Jeff) [Member]
Food fan Frank:

You made a great point.

Of course it's not all liberals that are the problem, it's just most of the powerful ones...the ones we actually hear...


The most powerful liberals wish to control others. They can't loose the faith of their followers. As a result, the powerful liberals are the most vocal when it comes to fighting against anything contrary to what they say they believe.

I think more people are waking up to this... People are starting to realize that what they have been told doesn't make sense.
PermalinkPermalink 08/18/11 @ 09:15
Food fan Frank

In response to: Liberals and The Philosophy of Shampoo

Food fan Frank [Visitor]
I totally agree with you. I don't really claim a political party, but i'd say i'm definitely not liberal. Pretty much every law they try to pass just makes me think...come on, are you serious?

Definitely, marx's philosophy has NOT helped the human condition, and I wish people would stop thinking of themselves as open minded and more enlightened than everyone else because they don't believe in God. They don't really have any backing to their arguments...they'll bring up evolution, world hunger, etc to say there is no God, as if that proves something. It's like they've never actually asked someone with deep religous conviction their beliefs on the matter.

Of course it's not all liberals that are the problem, it's just most of the powerful ones...the ones we actually hear: the ones that have a reason to be offended by anything, and shun everything that has to do with organized beliefs (like you said)
PermalinkPermalink 08/15/11 @ 17:52
Me and My Giant Dollar Store Glasses

In response to: "Tammy Faye Boehner" Indeed!

OGRE / (Jeff) [Member]
Kathy:

I think US foreign aid policy confuses most people. Most politicians would say that it's a necessary evil and that those countries receiving our aid would be worse off otherwise. The sad truth is that most of the time the money goes to some dictator and is never used for its intended purpose.

That being said; it's more like paying people to keep quiet. If we fund the dictators they don't start wars with their neighbors. Look at North Korea. When they are doing poorly economically what do they do? They start threatening stability in the region. What does the US do? We give them money to simmer down... It's like a global shakedown.

The truth is that we don't spend that much money on foreign aid comparatively, it's just the principle of it that irks people. At some point I think it will start to drop off.

The Democrats aren't going to do anything about entitlement spending (it's their voter base), you would think that they would through foreign aid under the bus before warning about food safety. But a cut in foreign aid doesn't scare their voter base, food safety does...
PermalinkPermalink 07/13/11 @ 19:09
Kathy

In response to: "Tammy Faye Boehner" Indeed!

Kathy [Visitor]
I don't understand why we continue to give aid to other countries, most of whom hate us, when we are unable to balance our own budget. Let alone, take care of our own.
PermalinkPermalink 07/12/11 @ 23:15
Brian

In response to: Whitehouse Twitter Town Hall, Obama is Too Long-Winded

Brian [Visitor]
The "uhhhh" key is hilarious. Obama makes Carter look like f@#king Washington.
PermalinkPermalink 07/07/11 @ 20:30
Me and My Giant Dollar Store Glasses

In response to: Government Stimulus is a Macrocosm of The Housing Bubble

OGRE / (Jeff) [Member]
Hollie:

You know what the most interesting part is? The Obama birth place issue was raised by the Hillary Campaign. That's where it all started, NOT with Republicans. I find that to be quite interesting. The Obama camp was able to play that pretty well. With the help of the media they made it look like it was a Republican based issue.
PermalinkPermalink 05/01/11 @ 09:12
Hollie

In response to: Donald Trump Has Performed an Important Task

Hollie [Visitor]
Well, that's what they're saying, but apparently the issue isn't completely resolved! Some are saying now that the certificate is in layers and this can be detected using software that separates the image layers. Interesting.

I still have the same question as Trump -- why did Obama wait so long to provide this add'l info? The question all along was not whether he should provide it, it was whether he could provide it! (Did it exist?)

Now it would appear as if this add'l info has been fabricated to appease the public as Obama seeks reelection. Of course as a newborn he had no idea about the details of his birth. If he wasn't born here, then it's Washington taking the hit not Obama himself. At this point Washington simply cannot tell us that he wasn't born in the U.S.

I think this might go down as an unknown, a possible gov't coverup, simply due to the delay in his providing the full cert.
PermalinkPermalink 04/29/11 @ 19:45
JR

In response to: Obama, NATO, United Nations, Libya --Who's on First?

JR [Visitor]
I think Abbott and Costello could do a better job........
PermalinkPermalink 03/24/11 @ 22:30
Me and My Giant Dollar Store Glasses

In response to: Obama Takes a Strong Position on Foreign Policy While Remaining on Both Sides of Each Issue

OGRE / (Jeff) [Member]
Greg:

The thing that strikes me as odd is the fact that the US media are actually trying to ignore the fact that nobody really knows what's going on. They are not actually asking questions like how do we know when we have done what we set out to do. That's right we don't really know what we have set out to do... I would love to say that this couldn't get any worse; but with the UN in charge with Obama playing second string, I know that it can and will get much worse.
PermalinkPermalink 03/24/11 @ 10:45
Greg

In response to: Obama Takes a Strong Position on Foreign Policy While Remaining on Both Sides of Each Issue

Greg [Visitor]
Obama's goal IS achieved: the UN, NOT the US, is taking the lead on this. Obama is all about World Government and destroying the US-as the past 2 years clearly spell out.

Furthermore, the left thinks Obama is "smart" and every conservative is an "idiot." But isn't that always the case? What the left thinks is "smart" is, in reality (where the left does not live) imbecilic and what the left thinks is moronic is actually just what is in the best interests of the comman man and woman.
PermalinkPermalink 03/23/11 @ 16:19
Beverly Swanson

In response to: State of The Union Address 2011

Beverly Swanson [Visitor]
So invest=borrow & spend? Hopefully the house and senate will be able to pass the new budget that will strip a bunch of needless spending. Great post!
PermalinkPermalink 02/21/11 @ 09:48
Hollie

In response to: State of The Union Address 2011

Hollie [Visitor]
Yep, a guy said the same thing as you on the FCN FB poll.
PermalinkPermalink 01/25/11 @ 13:14
Me and My Giant Dollar Store Glasses

In response to: Analysis of The Response to Gabrielle Giffords' Shooting

OGRE / (Jeff) [Member]
Brian:

Now they are trying to move towards gun control. Because it has become quite clear that they are getting nowhere trying to link Palin or any Conservative advocate to this guy.
PermalinkPermalink 01/11/11 @ 09:02
Me and My Giant Dollar Store Glasses

In response to: Is a Bird in the Hand Worth 2 to 6 Thousand in the Bush, in Your Yard, on the Street...

OGRE / (Jeff) [Member]
Brian:

Yes the climate of fear. They said that birds do scare easily, causing them to have heart attacks...
PermalinkPermalink 01/11/11 @ 08:57
Brian

In response to: Is a Bird in the Hand Worth 2 to 6 Thousand in the Bush, in Your Yard, on the Street...

Brian [Visitor]
Sarah Palin and a climate of fear(tm) killed those birds.
PermalinkPermalink 01/11/11 @ 02:53
Brian

In response to: Analysis of The Response to Gabrielle Giffords' Shooting

Brian [Visitor]
I'm normally pretty tolerant of other beliefs, including political, but the attempt to link Palin to this through blood libel is so out there, so incomprehensible, if I heard someone I knew (which thankfully I haven't yet) express such a thought in any serious manner, I couldn't see myself speaking to that person ever again. It's just too much. It's like the world has been taking crazy pills.
PermalinkPermalink 01/11/11 @ 02:52
Me and My Giant Dollar Store Glasses

In response to: Happy New Year!

OGRE / (Jeff) [Member]
Brian:

Yeah the video you linked to is depressing. California, that's all I have to say...
PermalinkPermalink 01/02/11 @ 10:59
Brian

In response to: Happy New Year!

Brian [Visitor]
Sorry, but that lady has nothing on the smerts of her California counterpart!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5oVzbwYWpg
PermalinkPermalink 01/02/11 @ 01:45
J. Ritter

In response to: The TSA is ready to touch your "Junk"

J. Ritter [Visitor]
Ridiculous.. This is the kind of brain storming that will cause a large portion of potential customers to stop flying.. When that happens, the rates will skyrocket to the point where it's no longer affordable to fly..

We need to mimic Israels MOP...
PermalinkPermalink 11/22/10 @ 18:51
Brian

In response to: So, What Was Recorded Off The Coast of California?

Brian [Visitor]
It's obviously an led equipped lawn dart.
PermalinkPermalink 11/10/10 @ 20:54
Me and My Giant Dollar Store Glasses

In response to: Coverage of Florida Constitutional Amendments: Number 8

OGRE / (Jeff) [Member]
Rob:

Class sizes definitely has an impact on the interaction between students, but I don't think that it always results in a better educational experience. I was amazed when I went to FCCJ/FSCJ. The people who were in class were actually there to learn. I think that makes the greatest difference. I think individuals actually wanting to learn is what you saw. I think that the size of the class was not the leading cause; the individuals making up the class made the difference.

You said, “...education is the single best investment that anyone, and we as a country can do.” I agree, so I think education should be privatized. If the government wants to subsidize the cost through vouchers for individuals or some similar system; so much the better.

With a completely government run system the end customer is NEVER the objective. The objective is remaining employed and doing what it takes to secure your job. Take the DMV for example, as it often is... I think the DMV is filled with employees who know that they don't have to answer to the people they serve (their customers). The end result is a system that works at the absolute minimum standard. If as a customer I have an issue; is there anyone I can actually go to that is going to do anything about it?

When the student is in grade school the customer is really the parent. The parent is obligated by law to make sure that their child is educated. Public school is like the DMV of the education. It might be horrible, and in the end there is nobody you can go to who can change anything. In a privatized system concerned parents would remove their children from poorly performing schools.

I need to post another one of the posts from my older blog on here. I did one about school choice in New York. People were pissed at the idea of having to choose where to send their kids! Can you believe that!?

I'll post it now... http://tinyurl.com/23jomb4


PermalinkPermalink 11/03/10 @ 21:46
Rob

In response to: Coverage of Florida Constitutional Amendments: Number 8

Rob [Visitor]
You should read this book called "Freakonomics" by Stephen Levitt. It's some fantastic stuff and it takes an unconventional look at the world of economics and society. I have the pdf file if you'd like.

I went to a public school, UNF, and graduated. Classes were about 30+. Bad idea. The more students in the class, the less learning that goes on.

I now go to JU, a private school for my MBA. There are 20 of us and that seems to be the magic number. Small groups encourage discussion and critical thinking. Most of the time, the textbooks aren't even used. I think the problem lies right there. The educational system needs to be reformed so that students are giving critical thinking skills and develop those, as book knowledge will get you nowhere. Anyone, regardless of actual ability can pass a standardized test, if it is drilled into their skulls incessantly. Ask them how to solve a problem with dynamic variables in which there are several right ways to do things and they will scratch their heads and give up to go smoke some more weed.

As impractical as this might seem, I'm all for reducing the class size to 15 and doing away with the tests. Is it going to cost a lot? Sure it is! But education is the single best investment that anyone, and we as a country can do. Can some be successful without education? Sure they can. The days of unskilled straight out of high school prosperous middle class jobs are over. When are people going to accept this instead of asking the government to give them jobs?
PermalinkPermalink 11/03/10 @ 15:28
Brian

In response to: Coverage of Florida Constitutional Amendments: Number 1

Brian [Visitor]
LIES!!! TEA PARTIES ARE FUNDED BY THE RICH WHITE RETHUGLICAN LOBBYSISTS!!!! OBAMA BROUGHT REAL CHANGE BUT ALL YOU INGRATES ARE TOO RACIST AND STUPID TO SEE IT!!!!

Man, I can't wait to taste those liberal tears on 11/2. They are going to taste so sweet.
PermalinkPermalink 10/26/10 @ 00:20
Me and My Giant Dollar Store Glasses

In response to: Multiculturalism Has Failed In Germany? Time To Ditch The "Coexist" Bumper Sticker...

OGRE / (Jeff) [Member]
Hollie:

You are missing the point.

The Germans know that there are going to be changes to the culture on both sides. The problem is that the Muslim immigrants are refusing to "melt" into the German culture. If the German culture continues to bend towards the Muslim culture; the traditional German culture will seize to exist.

The U.S. is less of a melting pot than you think. How do you think we have come to loose so many freedoms. As the traditional U.S. culture is "diluted" you begin to see the problems (failed ideas) from other cultures brought here.

The more people misunderstand the founding of this country, the worse it gets.

Germany is seeing the same problems, only at a much more accelerated rate.
PermalinkPermalink 10/22/10 @ 21:36
Hollie

In response to: Multiculturalism Has Failed In Germany? Time To Ditch The "Coexist" Bumper Sticker...

Hollie [Visitor]
Merkel and Seehofer see a failure because they expected each culture to totally retain its unique identity. That would be nearly impossible as they now see. Once a physical border is crossed, the culture changes a little on the receiving side for both parties. It's not "multikulti" but more of a blending of the cultures into new hybrid cultures. The immigrants who come here may not exhibit that blend so much, but their offspring often do. People characterize the USA as a "melting pot" for this very reason.
PermalinkPermalink 10/19/10 @ 00:02
katherine casey

In response to: There Is Something Sinister Happening, But Most Will Miss It.

katherine casey [Visitor]
There are ignorant people in every country who are looking for an excuse to stir up trouble. I am just worried about our men and women overseas who could be punished for what this idiot is doing.
PermalinkPermalink 09/10/10 @ 18:53
Me and My Giant Dollar Store Glasses

In response to: International Burn a Koran Day. Now this is interesting...

OGRE / (Jeff) [Member]
Hollie:

- This war is much different than any other war in our history; however, war is war. One side must prevail. Fear didn't drive us into WWII, our knowledge of the enemy did. Our current enemy is strengthened by our appeasement. Every inch we give results in a mile of enemy morale.

What happens when you are dealing with a hostage taker who (by our terms) doesn't want to win? I have the answer. You send them to where they are going ahead of schedule. There is no other logical conclusion to the scenario. People who believe that they are doing God's will by killing themselves can't be talked down by an infidel, nor can they be threatened. Christians and Jews are dogs in their eyes, we are the devil. The idea that they can be talked down is absurd.

- We know that what drives the terrorists, their religious beliefs. They have told us as much...

Do the terrorists represent all Muslims. No. Does that 50 member church in Gainseville represent all 300 million Americans? No; however, look at the Muslim response. Look again here...

I think that this pastor is doing this to make a point. I don't think he'll really burn any Korans.
PermalinkPermalink 09/09/10 @ 17:23
Hollie

In response to: International Burn a Koran Day. Now this is interesting...

Hollie [Visitor]
It would appear that FOX Orlando is trying to distract its viewers. Can you say top-heavy hotties?!

Yes, the first amendment protects a right, but no one said it had to be exercised.

Our situation with this war on terror reminds me of a hostage negotiation. As negotiator the US will try to avoid provoking the terrorists. In effect, we are going to APPEASE OUR ENEMIES -- in order to (hopefully) gain the upper hand!

Here's a thought:
Fear drives us (the US), but what drives the terrorists?

PermalinkPermalink 09/09/10 @ 00:52
Me and My Giant Dollar Store Glasses

In response to: Nine Years Ago; Would Anyone Have Believed This Could Be An Issue?

OGRE / (Jeff) [Member]
Greg:

Indeed.
PermalinkPermalink 08/21/10 @ 01:03
Greg

In response to: Nine Years Ago; Would Anyone Have Believed This Could Be An Issue?

Greg [Visitor]
Obama stated that Muslims have the right to freedom of religion and to build on private land with private funds "in accordance with local laws and customs."

Then, remember several months ago, when he condemned the Jews for building homes on JEWISH land with PRIVATE funds that were in accordance with local laws and customs?

Seems Obama is only interested in facts, laws, and reality when it suits his ever increasing pro-Muslim, anti-Christian, anti-jewish social agenda.

But just on the pretend "legal grounds" that he feigns being concerned about: how about the reality you noted that the funds for the mosque is terrorist-connected? How about the reality of Islamic-customs (not American customs, as he stated) of building "victory mosques" on land they perceived as having "conquered?" It's no accident that there is a mosque standing on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem where the Jewish Temple was thought to have stood. It's no accident that the Muslims built it there immediately after conquering Jerusalem long ago. And there are scores and scores of examples of such "victory mosques" that stand today that were built immediately after Muslims conquered a people and on the exact location where the conquered people's main cultural and religious institutuions once stood.

Just on these grounds alone, there could be enough legal fodder to trump any "religious freedoms" of these Muslims to build. On national security interests alone and the fact that Congress has declared war on terrorism, the building of this mosque in the context of funding and motivation of a "victory mosque" can be taken as an ACT OF WAR. And Acts of War transcend religious freedoms just like "religious expression" does not protect anyone from performing human sacrific and ritualistic murder.
PermalinkPermalink 08/20/10 @ 17:52
Me and My Giant Dollar Store Glasses

In response to: Nine Years Ago; Would Anyone Have Believed This Could Be An Issue?

OGRE / (Jeff) [Member]
Hollie,

You must have read NONE of the articles I referenced.

Another great explanation of rights I've heard heard from Walter E. Williams: The way our Constitution's framers used the term, a right is something that exists simultaneously among people and imposes no obligation on another.

As I said before the mosque is NOT a rights issue. It is a common sense issue.

If I came to you and said that I wanted to paint your house for you as a gesture of good faith, what would you say? Yes I suppose. Now what if I told you that I was going to paint it florescent yellow. You would probably say, "I think I'll pass on that, but thanks for the offer." That is what is going on with this mosque. The imam pushing to have the building erected claims that he is trying to bridge a divide, and allow for a greater understanding of Islam. The only problem is that the people of New York DON'T want the mosque right next to the site of Ground Zero. What divide is he going to bridge by angering the public?

Another point is that the mosque will be in a financial district of the city. It just doesn't make since.

Here's a quick history lesson. Whenever Muslim conquerors took control of a city, country or whatever, they would turn the largest church into a mosque. It served as a message to all who lived there that Islam was the only true religion.

If you really want to know what it's about, just pay attention to what the imam references. The Cordoba Initiative is what they are calling the building project. The Cordoba mosque in Spain used to be a church. When Muslims conquered Cordoba they converted the church into a mosque.

But remember it's just a peaceful little mosque right... Good Ole' peaceful Islam... ha ha ha!
PermalinkPermalink 08/20/10 @ 14:30
Hollie

In response to: Nine Years Ago; Would Anyone Have Believed This Could Be An Issue?

Hollie [Visitor]
Imam is a new word for me. Well, I can see the imam's point in that it would be unfair to sterotype an entire people group based on a portion of said group's purported actions. Once the mosque is built, -- I'm sure this could be done sans American union workers! -- and at some point down the road, there will be a change in leadership. Hopefully, its occupants will remain peaceful, but if they do not? The government, under current law, could only intervene AFTER some law is broken.

Here is my biggest concern (quote taken from http://www.nccs.net/articles/ril71.html):

•Departure From The Basic Values To Which The Founders Subscribed

Although the word "rights" remains an important part of the political and social vocabulary, the perception that individual rights are of divine origin has been largely excluded from public discourse. What was once the very cornerstone of the philosophy of freedom expounded by the Declaration of Independence-that a Creator endow­ed human beings with rights and the liberty to enjoy those rights - has virtually disappeared from the textbooks of the nation and from the public statements of many leaders. Indeed, rights are now thought of as man-made and emanating from government. As such, the concept of rights not only has been secularized but trivialized as well. After all, what is the authority for such rights? Any self-proclaimed entitlement to special treatment, privilege, status, or benefit conferred by government can, by inference, be withdrawn. Moreover, the modem no­tion of man-made rights does not embody the natural law injunction that the exercise of a right embodies a corresponding obligation to observe the rights of others, nor does it recognize the "laws of nature and of Nature's God" described by the Declaration of Independence.

In this connection, the rights specified in the Bill of Rights frequently have been interpreted in an arbitrary manner without regard to the tradition or values which they were designed to protect and preserve. For instance, the First Amendment's provision that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" has been 'inter­preted' in a manner not in keeping with Jefferson's idea that the "liberty to worship our Creator" had been "pro­ved by our experience to be its [government's] best support." In this and other areas, rights are upheld quite apart from the Framers' concerns for civil or ordered liberty, or for the ends of government, especially those set forth in the Preamble. Alexandr Solzhenitsyn's scathing critique of Western moral values, and those which have gained currency in the United States in particular, drives this point home:

"Destructive and irresponsible freedom has been granted boundless space. Society appears to have little defense against the abyss of human decadence, such as, for example, misuse of liberty for moral violence against young people, motion pictures full of pornography, crime and horror."

Professor Lino Graglia, a harsh critic of the Supreme Court and its interpretation of the Bill of Rights, makes much the same point in another context: "The Court has created for criminal defendants rights that do not exist under any other system of law-for example, the possibility of almost endless appeals with all costs paid by the state ­ and which have made the prosecution and conviction of criminals so complex and difficult as to make the at­tempt frequently seem not worthwhile...By undermining effective enforcement of the criminal law...the Court has diminished our liberty to walk the streets of our cities with a degree of security".
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Me and My Giant Dollar Store Glasses

In response to: Nine Years Ago; Would Anyone Have Believed This Could Be An Issue?

OGRE / (Jeff) [Member]
Hollie:

The interesting thing is that nobody on either side of the issue has said that the government should intervene with the building of the mosque. The Muslims have a constitutional right to build wherever they want. Everyone knows that. The president's response to the issue was completely pointless. There was never any question of rights! Obama also tried to back pedal on what he said the following day, as soon as he found out that it was unpopular. The only conflict when it comes to the constitutionality of the issue lies within the Obama administration.

With that said, there is far more at play here than what I listed in the article. For example, the imam who behind the plan to build the mosque refuses to consider terror organizations --terror organizations...

Take a peek at this New York Times article.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/imam_terror_error_efmizkHuBUaVnfuQcrcabL


The imam behind plans to build a controversial Ground Zero mosque yesterday refused to describe Hamas as a terrorist organization.

According to the State Department's assessment, "Hamas terrorists, especially those in the Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades, have conducted many attacks, including large-scale suicide bombings, against Israeli civilian and military targets."

Asked if he agreed with the State Department's assessment, Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf told WABC radio, "Look, I'm not a politician.

"The issue of terrorism is a very complex question," he told interviewer Aaron Klein.

"There was an attempt in the '90s to have the UN define what terrorism is and say who was a terrorist. There was no ability to get agreement on that."

Asked again for his opinion on Hamas, an exasperated Rauf wouldn't budge.

"I am a peace builder. I will not allow anybody to put me in a position where I am seen by any party in the world as an adversary or as an enemy," Rauf said, insisting that he wants to see peace in Israel between Jews and Arabs.

Rauf also would not answer a question about Egypt's outlawed Muslim Brotherhood.

"I have nothing to do with the Muslim Brotherhood. My father was never a member of the Muslim Brotherhood," he said, disputing a rumor.

Rauf's position has come under a microscope as he leads an effort to build a $100 million mosque and community center at 45 Park Place, near Ground Zero.

Meanwhile, a pastor on Staten Island who signed off on a controversial plan to sell a former convent to the Muslim American Society has changed his mind.

St. Margaret Mary R.C. Church Pastor Keith Fennessy sent a letter to Archbishop Timothy Dolan saying that, "after careful reflection," he has withdrawn his support for the convent sale.

But New York Archdiocese spokesman Joseph Zwilling told the Web site SI Live, "The contract was signed, and [Fennessy's withdrawal of support] does not cancel that."


This imam is going to "possibly" (more than likely) take funding from terror organizations to build a mosque in New York. I don't think this should be taken lightly.

Should the government intervene, what do you think? I don't think the Muslims will be able to build it because there isn't a union employee within 1,000 miles who would be caught dead working on the site!

Did you read this?

This is an earlier post I did related to the whole question of Obama's religious beliefs.

It might help you to understand.
PermalinkPermalink 08/20/10 @ 07:31
Hollie

In response to: Nine Years Ago; Would Anyone Have Believed This Could Be An Issue?

Hollie [Visitor]
As you know I do not often watch the news or keep up with politics. I read one article about this because my husband had seen a TV spot and brought it up. I think the article I read was from The Washington Post (if that matters).

Here is what I gathered from that article: the Muslims intend to build on a site that is about 2 blocks from ground zero, it is private property, Obama made a comment about the rights of the the Muslim people to build there as they have freedom of religion too.

Now, the article went on to say that many people read into that comment saying that Obama feels no qualms about the proximity of the mosque to ground zero.

When did Obama say he felt it was a tactful thing to do? From what I read, he simply stated that they have a right to build there according to the law. I have to agree with that. As bad as it sounds, we can't deny one religion that right or else all other religions would be subject. America did not force Christianity upon its people, you see. Religion remains free.
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Greg

In response to: Gay Marriage Is Not A Problem, It's Happy Meals That We Should Be Worried About?

Greg [Visitor]
Here's my mantra once again: One World (Anti-Christ/Socialist) Government.

Everything spins around this. Period.

The Socialists want to do away with private property, private business and take over everything. The government could not give a crap about our health. If they did, they never would have passed health care reform that mandates the elimination of a certain percentage of the population via rationing of health care. They simply are using everything at their disposal to take over and control everything. Period.
PermalinkPermalink 08/16/10 @ 17:34
Me and My Giant Dollar Store Glasses

In response to: Gay Marriage Is Not A Problem, It's Happy Meals That We Should Be Worried About?

OGRE / (Jeff) [Member]
Hollie:

Wait, you can't go to the local health department. They don't exists! That's why we need health care reform remember!?

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