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Red Cross, Answers to Common Questions About COVID-19 Vaccines and Blood, Platelet or Plasma Donation Eligibility, Mostly...

Permalink 10/17/21 00:26, by OGRE / (Jeff), Categories: Welcome, News, Background, Politics, Health Care, U.S. Economy

UPDATE 10-22-21: What I was worried about, now seems to be the case.

URGENT: Covid vaccines will keep you from acquiring full immunity EVEN IF YOU ARE INFECTED AND RECOVER

What the British are saying is they are now finding the vaccine interferes with your body’s innate ability after infection to produce antibodies against not just the spike protein but other pieces of the virus. Specifically, vaccinated people don’t seem to be producing antibodies to the nucleocapsid protein, the shell of the virus, which are a crucial part of the response in unvaccinated people.

This means vaccinated people will be far more vulnerable to mutations in the spike protein EVEN AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN INFECTED AND RECOVERED ONCE (or more than once, probably).

It also means the virus is likely to select for mutations that go in exactly that direction, because those will essentially give it an enormous vulnerable population to infect. And it probably is still more evidence the vaccines may interfere with the development of robust long-term immunity post-infection.

Aside from that, everything is fine.

Here's the info from the Red Cross website, detailing that they've known this all along.

I have screen captured this entire web page because I know it's subject to change, or be removed as it points out one very important detail.

Q: What is the different between COVID-19 antibodies that you develop from exposure to the virus and antibodies you develop as a reaction to the vaccine?

A: Antibodies that an individual produces when they’ve been exposed to the virus are slightly different from the antibodies that an individual produces when they’ve been vaccinated. When an individual has been infected with a virus, they produce antibodies to multiple regions of a virus. At the Red Cross, we use two antibody tests to generate our results on blood, platelet and plasma donations. One test – Ortho’s total test – detects antibodies to the spike protein of the virus. The other detects antibodies to a different protein of the virus called the nucleocapsid protein. If a donor has had the COVID-19 vaccine, they will generate an antibody against the spike protein but not the nucleocapsid protein, which will only occur in the event of a COVID-19 infection.

Initial reports were that the vaccines would "wipe-out" the antibodies trained to the nucleocapsid protein, and leave only the spike protein antibodies. They are not denying this claim. They instead use the phrase "not accurate." There's a huge difference in "not accurate" and not true. This is written in legal verbiage. The only reason to write a non-denial, denial is because there is truth to claim. Those who have been vaccinated no longer produce the antibodies for the nucleocapsid protein, only the spike protein.

Q: I’ve heard claims that the Red Cross refuses to accept convalescent plasma from individuals who have received a COVID-19 vaccine because it wipes out the antibodies. Is this true?

A: There are claims circulating that incorrectly state that the Red Cross will not accept convalescent plasma donations from those who have received the COVID-19 vaccine because “the vaccine wipes out those antibodies making the convalescent plasma ineffective in treating other COVID-19 patients.” This is not accurate.

The FDA allows people who have received a COVID-19 vaccine to donate dedicated COVID-19 convalescent plasma within six months of their infection of the virus, based on data that antibodies from natural infection can decline after six months.

They are really parsing words here. So in the statement above they say, "The FDA allows people who have received a COVID-19 vaccine to donate dedicated COVID-19 convalescent plasma within six months of their infection of the virus, based on data that antibodies from natural infection can decline after six months." Then we have the Red Cross requirements below.

Q: Are individuals who received a COVID-19 vaccine eligible to give COVID-19 convalescent plasma?

A: The FDA revised its convalescent plasma donor eligibility guidance on February 11 specifically to ensure that convalescent plasma donors have sufficient levels of antibodies as a result of their illness or immune response to a COVID-19 infection versus just the vaccine. The FDA allows people who have received a COVID-19 vaccine to donate dedicated COVID-19 convalescent plasma within six months of their infection of the virus.

One of the Red Cross requirements for plasma from routine blood and platelet donations that test positive for high-levels of antibodies to be used as convalescent plasma is that it must be from a donor that has not received a COVID-19 vaccine. This is to ensure that antibodies collected from donors have sufficient antibodies directly related to their immune response to a COVID-19 infection and not just the vaccine, as antibodies from an infection and antibodies from a vaccine are not the same.

The Red Cross has their own requirements. The Red Cross requirements, "One of the Red Cross requirements for plasma from routine blood and platelet donations that test positive for high-levels of antibodies to be used as convalescent plasma is that it must be from a donor that has not received a COVID-19 vaccine."

The Red Cross is following the guidance of the FDA. If you were not infected 6 months before vaccination they won't accept convalescent plasma donations.

The COVID-19 vaccines change your immune response. This is undeniable. All vaccines change your immune response. But I'm unaware of any other vaccine that will stop your body from producing one particular type of antibody over another. The COVID-19 vaccines are not enhancing your immune system, like a traditional vaccine. The COVID-19 vaccine is modifying your immune system to produce a particular antibody, and no longer produce the antibodies from a natural immune response.

This could create a large deficit in your immune response when it comes to SARS-CoV-2, and possibly other viral infections as well. Has this been studied? What is the effect on those who have been vaccinated, and are exposed to the Flu? There are a lot of unanswered questions here. but I do know when I'm being lied to, and this is a legally approved lie. It's trying to have it both ways. Wiping out the antibodies is not the same as no longer producing them. But that's a literary difference, not a real world difference. If you are left with the inability to produce the nucleocapsid protein antibodies, they will necessarily die out. Nobody knows the long term effects of this condition, or if it effects nucleocapsid protein antibody production for other infections.

Now there's this! Click the picture to view the study info.

Conclusions This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.

Here is a link to Red Cross website and below is a screenshot of the whole webpage, because I'm sure they will change it to remove references to this data. After all, as they say in the document multiple times, "the Red Cross stopped collecting convalescent plasma completely on June 14." That translates to, stop asking questions!

Here's a screen capture of the webpage. Click the image to enlarge it.

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